Ian & Stuart's Australian Mac: Not for Sale/Another.not.for.sale (Australia).iso/hold me in your arms/nanomius/etc/deewarning

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From: [e-mail]
Date: Fri, 02 Sep 1994 04:58:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: introducing a WWW Page on Nostradamu
To: [e-mail], [e-mail]

> THE A.NANOMIUS HOME PAGE
> <[e-mail]> (ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/nanomius/home.html)

> This home page contains a collection of luscious tidbits of New Age
> philosophy I have personally compiled from around cyberspace and my
> own research. I have focused particularly on delectable "channelings",
> of the highest clarity, focus, urgency, and overall "quality".

> I am particularly interested in approaching the New Age movement from
> a scientific point of view, in e.g. cross-correlating different
> channelings with each other and known historical events to look for
> cohesion, unity, and accuracy in the message and predictions.


Thank you for what you are doing.  It is very hard for spirits to talk
these days.  Most people don't pay attention to their dreams and hunches
any more, and so their phone lines to spirit are cut off.  And then there
are people who think that anything from a spirit is gospel, so they don't
use their common sense as they would with any other message. This is why
she said "Dead Strangers Never Lie."  So it is good what you are doing,
selecting the best spirit-messages by clarity, focus, urgency, and overall
quality.  I am honored and grateful that you included my message, "When a
Spirit Guide Resigns", as a counterbalance to all the newage sewage
outrage out there.  It was a little embarrassing to give myself as a bad
example, of what can go wrong when people mistake all spirit-beings as
"higher".  But it is worth the embarrassment if it helps people to
understand.

The only differences between the spirit beings and humans is that
lifespans and points of view can be very different and of course spirits
don't have bodies!  So a being whose lifespan is on the order of millenia
may have some interesting things to say regarding human affairs, also a
being whose lifespan is only a few years or less may have some important
insights.

Still, one must be careful.  What good is it to live thousands of years if
one suffers from lapses of memory and judgement?  So one must weigh
spirit-messages with the same criteria as one uses in weighing messages
from humans or any other beings.  (By the way, ever talk with a tree?)

> I hope that others will be inspired by the uplifting prose and moved
> to fresh insights and actions by the sometimes bone-rattlingly vivid
> warnings. Please send me any comments you have on the contents herein
> to <[e-mail]> . I also encourage you to advertise this
> location wherever relevant, and to watch the newsgroups
> alt.channeling, talk.religion.newage, and alt.consciousness for
> "further developments" in this fast-paced realm.

I, too, hope that people will be inspired to insight and action by the
words and works of the spirits.  And I hope the insights and actions will
be for good.

Prose?  Usually.  Prose is usually easiest for reading.  But please do not
rule out songs and poetry from spirits.  There are certain classes of
beings who sing more easily than they speak, and paint pictures more
easily than than they speak.  The ancient Greeks spoke of some of the
beings like this as the Muses.  This is why an artist must do what she
does, in a certain way. Because she does not work alone; she works with
sometimes very demanding partners.  She collaborates with Spirit.  Ever
see a writer or painter or other artist in the grip of a muse?  He is as
one who is channelling a spirit, as any artist could tell you.  Also
scientists feel the touch of the muse, when they become obsessed with a
question or when they are rewarded for their devotion to study by an
unusual insight that comes as from another point of view.

So channelling is not a new thing at all; humans have done it ever since
they lost touch with the unending stream.  And before that, everyone was
channelling all the time.  They had no special word for "channelling", any
more than a fish has a special word for "water". In fact, there was no
need of words at all.

> Nostradamus
> Perhaps the most important and detailed of all new age
>

(etc.)

I agree, the works of Nostradamus is very good to have here.  He says some
very important things.  It is far more important at this time to give
warnings of what is to come, than to pacify the people.  These are very
critical times; we are headed into a time-storm.  Time will be jumbled and
anything can happen, just like the wind is jumbled and may kick up
anything during a tornado or hurricane.  This is why it is good to have
messages from the point of view of beings who in some ways live outside
time. And Nostradamus is the granddaddy of them all!

>
> Pleiadians
> Other channelings that particularly impress me are those of the
> Pleiadians channeled by Barbara Marciniak. I have included some
> here that are "floating around" in cyberspace. The Pleiadians
> talk about our own role in a sort of intergalactical political
> drama, and how the human race is actually a big DNA experiment
> for aliens, and that humans have been manipulated to resonate
> at a "frequency of fear" and worship "creator gods" so that
> they may feed on our consciousnesses' energies. But beneath
> what many would consider a very bizarre message is the
> prevalent theme of personal growth, development, and selfless
> love, the predominant themes of New Age philosophy.
>

You say that you have seen no channelled messages from "bad aliens". But I
ask you -- would an alien whose goals are contrary to our goals proclaim
himself as such?  Would an alien who wants to enslave or feed on human
beings state his goals plainly? On the contrary, such an alien would
sugar-coat his messages and hyptnotise his prey in the same sense as a
snake hyptnotises a bird before he strikes.

It is true that humans have been genetically tampered with.  But I would
suspect anyone who wants to do any further manipulation, even if it were
for supposed good.  The farmer who breeds his cattle so as to obtain a
more docile and contented herd may present himself to the cow as having
only her best interest at heart, but in the long run all he wants is less
trouble and more meat for the market! A selfless, non-judgemental cow is
just what he wants. But is it best for the cow? At least her relative, the
buffalo, goes down fighting!

The UFO-lings lie!  This is why their messages are often garbled.  It is a
lot harder for a liar to talk straight, than it is for one who is telling
the truth.  And the style of their writing has a weird effect on the human
mind; people who read this stuff often complain of symptoms like
drunkenness.  It is a lot easier to lie to and seduce a drunk woman than a
sober one. But the bar-prowler will tell her anything in order to get what
he wants from her.

It is true that this earth is in very bad shape, mainly because of the
craziness of humans.  But I would suspect any solutions to human problems
which involve taking humans away from this planet.  Such actions are more
like taking slaves from their tribal lands or taking cattle from the
pasture to the market.  They do not come to rescue, but to harvest.  They
came in the beginning to domesticate humans, and now they intend to finish
their dirty work by wielding the sickle.

The evidence of their tampering is everywhere in the human body and human
works. This is why humans are the only lifeforms on this planet that
require extensive artificial mechanisms merely to survive. What other
creature travels in vehicles, works nine to five, wears clothes, and gets
his food from the grocery store? The failure of these artificial systems
that man has built for himself would severely endanger his survival, and
these systems will probably fail in the coming time-storm.  But the
solution as I see it is not to take humans away from their fouled nests
and spread the pollution beyond the stars. Instead, spirits who truly have
the best interest of humans at heart should help humans learn to live on
earth with the same intimacy with their enviornment as the other creatures
of the earth enjoy.

Humans are in a precarious state, and it was the work of aliens, genetic
tampering and such, which put humans in such a precarious state.  So I
would suspect any alien solutions as being, not solutions, but the final
outworking of an extensive, millenia-long endeavor to breed humans for
food and slave labor. The "ascension" would more properly be called an
"abduction."

But there are some humans so desperate for solutions and so enamored of
the aliens, that they actually ask to be abducted!  This makes me want to
cry, but tears do no good here.  It makes me want to kick butt, but now is
not the time for this, and I am not the one to do this at this time. So
all I can do is talk, give warning.  This is why I thank you for including
my work with the works of Nostradamus and the Peliadians. I thank you for
compiling these warnings. Right now, to warn does far more good than to
pacify.

(etc.)
>
> Orvotron newsletter
> This data was excerpted from the Orvotron Jul/Aug newsletter.
> As I understand it most of it is channeled messages,
> particularly from "Kortron". I have included it here because
> some of the information about extraterrestrial human DNA
> manipulation correlates with the Pleiadian message, and this is
> more detailed about the actual politics and mechanics.
>

Thank you for including this.  Right now genetic manipulation is the
greatest danger humans face.  The best thing to do is, hands out of the
genes! No good can come from any further tampering. Better to let natural
selection processes undo the damage that has already been done. Entropy is
a great healer here, although a ruthless one.

> + Overview of interplanetary politics
> + The saga of the Creator gods manipulating Earth politics and
> developments
> + Hoagland's claims of extraterrestrial planetary photo
> evidence covered up by NASA
>

good!  Thank you for making this information available.

> Ashtar
> Ashtar is another frequently channeled Master. G.Stocks has
> forwarded much Ashtar material to alt.channeling from an
> Australian group, but it strikes me as somewhat jumbled and
> confused. This is one of the most lucid channelings I have
> found on Ashtar, from Eric Klein. Ashtar very much emphasizes
> the "Ascension" process that is roughly the New Age concept of
> the event referred to in the bible as the Final Judgement. In
> it, the Earth and exalted inhabitants will "ascend" to the
> fourth-dimensional reality, splitting off a new reality
> separate from the third-dimensional realm whose occupants will
> then consist of the "lowly ones" who wallow in the cruder,
> degrading vibrations. The Pleiadians also echo these key ideas
> about this revolutionary spiritual earth "Shift".
>

Ascend? Yeah, right.  Jumbled and confused?  You got it!  This is an
example of what I was saying earlier, about how liars have a hard time
talking straight.  If they are the "masters", then those who "ascend" are
the slaves.  They ascend in the same sense as the hapless Africans,
kidnapped from their homeland, ascended the gangplank of the Good Ship
Jesus and other slave ships of previous centuries.  Only the Africans
dignified themselves by going under protest and in chains.  While the
"exalted ones" go docilely and regard themselves as the recipients of some
great honor.  What a rude awakening they will have, if indeed they ever
awaken at all!

> Other goodies

> + The Spirit WWW by Rene Mueller

> + "When a Spirit Guide Resigns" by Dee at
> [e-mail]


                                                            UFO-ers &
   me                                                       other
____|_______________________________________________________liars___
                                                        ^

As that great man, Archimedes, said, give me place to stand and a lever
long enough and I will move the earth!

(etc)

> Channeling

> "Channeling" is a technique particularly associated with the New
> Age movement in which a human "receptor" becomes a psychic conduit
> for messages sent by other personalities from other dimensions. The
> entities may be unenlighted individuals on low planes, more
> spiritually advanced teachers, prophets, aliens (both the "good"
> and the "bad" although I haven't found any channelings from "bad"
> ones) and psychic brotherhoods that are comprised of many souls (a
> famous one being the one named "Michael"). See P.Stumbough,
> "Dimensions of Understanding" for a description of this "hierarchy
> of consciousness" associated with channeling.
>

New Agers, as I have said, pay a lot of attention to channelling, but it's
been around for many thousands of years, since the breaking of the human
mind and the first breaking of the world.  And the only "good" alien is
one who has the decency to leave humans alone!

> One way of looking at channeling is to view a human body as a
> "vehicle" that can carry different personalities by "tuning into"
> different wavelengths of consciousness that are being broadcast
> throughout the universe. This idea is not hard to believe when one
> is familiar and comfortable with the idea of reincarnation (and in
> fact many of the channeled masters talk about this subject).
>
> For a cyberspatial analogy, you might view a human body as an email
> address, a conduit through which different "spirits" may converse
> through. The soul is dissociated from the body just as bodies are
> dissociated from email addresses. This also implies that a single
> personality may be channeled through many different people, and
> this is indeed the case with e.g. Michael or Ashtar.
>

These are good analogies for those who insist on thinking of the human
being as a mechanistic thing.  But there are great dangers in this type of
thinking.  Earlier interpretations, equally valid, of the channelling
phenomena include --

        taking and relaying messages dictated from the
        spirit world;

        allowing the spirit to "wear" the human in the same
        way that one would wear a garment;

        allowing the spirit to "live in" the human in the
        same way that one would share a house;

        allowing the spirit to "join with" the human in a
        union that can be like a marriage, a close blood
        relationship, or even like twins conjoined at birth;

etc.

Again, note that these things, messengers, garments, houses,
institutionalised marriages, etc., are human constructs that did not exist
prior to the first breaking of the world. This is why I say, before the
breaking, everyone was channelling all the time, and no one thought any
more of it than a fish thinks of swimming.

> When there are multiple conduits for a message, one can compare the
> "quality" or clarity of the message being sent through each. There
> is a certain redundancy. It is clear how novice channelers tend to
> slightly skew the information relative to their own prejudices,
> biases, and other unconscious thought-tendencies. Sometimes the
> channelings come out somewhat jumbled and ungrammatical from less
> experienced channelers. The best channelers can convey the
> information as if they themselves originated it, and it flows as
> smoothly as the prose in any great book. I have particularly focused
> on channelings in this category. I think you will agree the Truth
> resonates and resounds very "robustly" in them.

There are several reasons why novice channellers speak in poor syntax,
spelling, and grammar.  The legitimate one is, there are translation
problems here. In the beginning, the spirit has to learn to speak thru a
human, and the human has to learn to cooperate. The process is similar to
a combination of learning to drive and learning a new language.  The
illegitimate one is, poor speech can serve as a smokescreen for lies.
Also, many people are so enamored of channelled beings, that anything that
appears to be channelled has extra credibility with these people. So some
channellers affect bad speech patterns in order to call attention to the
fact that they are channelling, and thus gain credibility with those who
believe that "dead strangers never lie."

Here, again, you speak of prose as the standard of channelling.  But there
are, as I said, beings who express themselves better in poetry, images,
etc.  Often metaphor or analogy conveys the meaning better than any other
form of word-working, and then one must remember that no analogy covers
everything.  (Thanks, TOH.)  This is why I often use carriage-returns for
punctuation; there is much that can be said in the spaces between the
words.  And sometimes I hit a wrong type-key, but I don't change it,
because there is a pun and other meanings in there.  So my messages
usually look and feel like freeverse poetry. So please do not discount a
message simply because it appears in some other form. And please do not
equate good writing style with truthfulness.

On the other hand, the details of complex ideas can often best be conveyed
in prose, to humans who don't understand visions or telepathy very well.
For this reason, and also because you say you prefer to read prose and I
want you to hear me, I am writing in this way at this time. Although I
must work very hard to speak in prose.

In closing, let me again thank you for doing this work, and for including
my resignation notice as an antidote to a lot of the BS out there.
Sometimes, dead strangers lie.

Thanks for listening.

Best wishes,

Saki @ 4C
via Dee @ 4C